‘Patients Will Die’: One County’s Challenge To Trump’s ‘Conscience Rights’ Rule

Health care workers sometimes oppose procedures on religious or moral grounds.

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Moral and religious objections to providing health care sometimes arise in medicine: A medical assistant might not agree with blood transfusions. A nurse might not want to assist in sex reassignment surgery.

Last month, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services put out a new rule that “implements full and robust enforcement” of existing laws that protect what the administration calls “conscience rights” for health care workers. The rule is set to go into effect on July 22.

As NPR has previously reported, the new rule expands the kinds of workers who are covered by those laws — to include, for example, reception and billing staff. Even though relatively few of these complaints get submitted to HHS each year, this emphasis on religious freedom has been a hallmark of the department under the Trump administration.

HHS was sued right away over the expansiveness of its new rule — by the states of New York and California and by physician groups, clinics and others.

Santa Clara County in California is asking a federal judge in U.S. District Court, Northern District of California this week to put the Trump rule on hold while the legal process plays out San Francisco and the state of California filed separate motions for preliminary injunctions last week.

To succeed in putting a temporary stop on the rule, at least one of the plaintiffs will need to convince a judge that implementing the rule would cause “irreparable harm.”

So what’s the harm of a rule designed to affirm health workers’ right to exclude themselves from providing medical care that they say violates their religious or moral beliefs?

“If the rule goes through as it’s written, patients will die,” says Santa Clara’s county executive, Jeff Smith, who is a physician as well as an attorney by training.

“We will have a guaranteed situation where a woman has had a complication of an abortion, where she’s bleeding out and needs to have the services of some employee who has moral objections,” Smith predicts. “That patient will die because the employee is not providing the services that are needed.”

Santa Clara has 2 million residents — it is more populous than 14 states, according to 2017 census data. The county runs three hospitals, including a Level 1 trauma center, clinics and pharmacies, all of which rely in part on federal funding to operate.

The issue is not whether employees who have moral objections to providing certain kinds of care should have a way to opt out, according to James Williams, county counsel for Santa Clara. The county already has a policy to deal with that, but it differs from the federal rule in two key ways.

“One: Health care providers need to notify us in advance,” Williams says. “It can’t just be an on-the-fly objection. And that makes sense because, how are you supposed to run a hospital if you don’t know what your staff has a concern about until the actual procedure needs to happen? And second: There’s an exception for dealing with an emergency situation.”

HHS declined to offer comment for this story, because litigation regarding its rule is ongoing. But the department summarized and responded to nearly a quarter-million comments that were submitted during the 60-day public comment period after the rule was first proposed in January 2018.

In response to commenters who raised the emergency issue, HHS said its final rule does not explicitly conflict with federal laws that require health workers to provide emergency treatment for any and all patients.

To this, Santa Clara County counsel Williams responds, “What the [federal] rule doesn’t do is actually say that it doesn’t apply in emergencies.”

If the conscience rule does go into effect, and Santa Clara does not comply with it, the federal funding the county relies on to operate its public health system could be withheld or subject to “funding claw-backs to the extent permitted by law,” according to the HHS rule.

On the other hand, Williams says, if the county attempted to comply with the rule, it would have another problem — figuring out how.

“HHS didn’t explain or consider how this rule would actually be implemented in practice,” Williams says. “The rule kind of suggests that, basically, you need to have extra staffing to accommodate the fact that there may be people who have objections. That would be very costly.”

County officials worry more broadly about the direct impact of the federal rule on patients. In the lawsuit, Santa Clara argues that the rule could delay care, which could, among other things, open the county up to malpractice suits.

And, county officials add, posting notice about the “conscience rights” policy, as the HHS rule instructs, in “a prominent and conspicuous physical location” within hospitals and clinics that receive federal funding could scare away vulnerable patients — including women seeking abortions or transgender patients.

To this last point, HHS wrote in its rule: “The Department disagrees that a notice of federal conscience and anti-discrimination laws would in any way discourage a patient seeking emergency treatment.”

This is not the first time Santa Clara County has sued the Trump administration — the county also sued over Trump’s attempts to undermine DACA and over the administration’s legal threats against sanctuary cities.

The county has had its eye on the conscience rights issue since the rule was proposed in 2018. When the final rule came down in May 2019, Santa Clara was ready to go.

“We have, as a county, more flexibility to litigate because we have a county Board of Supervisors that’s very supportive of patients’ rights,” says Smith, the county executive. “But every county, every public health system, will have the same concerns.”

Trump administration officials say the federal rule is necessary to protect health workers’ religious freedom. As NPR has reported, Roger Severino, the director of HHS’s Office for Civil Rights, has made the right of health workers to refuse to offer care for religious reasons to some patients his signature issue. In a statement sent to NPR, Severino vowed to “defend the rule vigorously.”

The next step: A judge in U.S. District Court will decide whether any of the California plaintiffs pass the test for preliminary injunctive relief — that if the rule goes into effect, they will suffer “irreparable harm.”

If any or all plaintiffs pass that test, the judge could put the rule on hold while the lawsuits play out. Currently, challenges to the rule in New York and San Francisco are both scheduled for hearings on July 12 — just days before the federal rule is set to go into effect.

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U.S. Women’s Soccer Sets 13-0 FIFA Record In First Game, Beating Thailand

Alex Morgan (second right) celebrates after scoring the United States’ 12th goal during the team’s 13-0 win over Thailand Tuesday.

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The U.S. Women’s National Team won its first game of the World Cup with the largest margin of victory in FIFA history Tuesday in a wild soccer match against Thailand.

The record-setting night ended at 13-0. No World Cup team, men or women, had ever scored 13 goals before. Alex Morgan scored five. She now ties with Michelle Akers’ previous 1991 World Cup record for goals scored in a single game.

ALEX MORGAN FOR THE RECORD! ??@alexmorgan13‘s 5th ties Michelle Akers’ single-game #FIFAWWC record … and makes it 12-0 USA! pic.twitter.com/52Z0ePG6vI

— FOX Soccer (@FOXSoccer) June 11, 2019

“We really just came into the game really wanting to showcase ourselves,” Morgan said after the game. “Every goal matters in this tournament and that’s what we were working on.”

“I’m speechless.” @AlexMorgan13 tries to explain her record-setting performance to @Alex_Curry after the @USWNT‘s 13-0 win. #FIFAWWC pic.twitter.com/gatzC6TTQV

— FOX Soccer (@FOXSoccer) June 11, 2019

She added that she is “speechless” over her own performance. “The ball just happened to bounce my way,” she said.

Thailand, which ranked No. 34 in the world, was considered one of the weaker teams entering the tournament.

Tuesday’s match was first of three matches for the U.S. in the tournament’s opening round. The American team will take on Chile on Sunday. They will face Sweden on June 20.

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Expert Panel Recommends Wider Use Of Daily Pill To Prevent HIV Infections

In 2012, the Food and Drug Administration approved the use of Truvada to prevent HIV infection in people at high risk.

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The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force has a new recommendation aimed at preventing HIV infections and AIDS. The influential panel’s guidance says people at high risk of being infected with HIV should be offered preventive antiretroviral medications — taken in a daily pill.

There’s lots of evidence that preexposure prophylaxis — also known as PrEP — is effective. The Food and Drug Administration-approved pill Truvada contains two antiretroviral medicines (tenofovir and emtricitabine).

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cites evidence that PrEP can reduce the risk of HIV infection by up to 92% in people who are at high risk and who take the drug consistently.

The CDC recommended PrEP several years ago and calls it “a powerful HIV prevention tool,” but so far uptake of PrEP has been slow.

“Currently, less than 10% of individuals with an indication for PrEP are receiving this medication,” write Hyman Scott and Paul Volberding in an editorial published Tuesday alongside the new recommendation in the medical journal JAMA. Both authors are physicians and researchers at the University of California, San Francisco who have been involved in HIV research.

“The gap between indication and use is most pronounced among black and Latino men who have sex with men,” Volberding and Scott write.

And the new recommendation “should serve to promote policies to expand PrEP access to those at risk,” they conclude.

People at high risk of HIV infection include those who inject drugs and those who have sex without condoms when they don’t know the HIV status of their high-risk partner.

Many insurers already pay for Truvada, but the task force’s recommendation could be influential in expanding coverage of the drug, whose list price runs $21,360 a year.

“The cost of the medication is absolutely a barrier for a lot of people in the U.S.,” Scott said in an interview. “We have patients who go to the pharmacy and are told they have to pay $1,300 or $1,600 for their month’s supply of Truvada.”

Many at-risk people can get the drug at a reduced cost or at no cost, depending on their insurance. “We try to educate patients to let them know there are many programs to help offset the costs,” Scott says.

“We’ve done a good job in medicine at being able to treat HIV, in the sense it’s now become a chronic disease for most people … but we still have a problem with new HIV infections,” says John Epling, a physician and professor of family and community medicine at Virginia Tech and a member of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force. The goal is to prevent these infections.

More than 38,000 new HIV cases were diagnosed in the U.S. in 2017, according to the CDC. “So, we need for primary care clinicians to engage in offering PrEP to their high-risk patients,” Epling says.

The task force’s recommendation is published with a new review of the evidence, including an analysis of multiple studies evaluating the safety and effectiveness of PrEP.

The studies found that most side effects, including gastrointestinal complaints and some nausea, were mild and reversible. Another side effect in some people taking Truvada is elevated creatinine, a measure of kidney function, so patients on the drug are monitored periodically.

The review finds that the therapy significantly reduces the risk of acquiring HIV infection compared with a placebo, although effectiveness drops when people fail to take the pill daily.

“PrEP is highly effective at preventing HIV acquisition,” Epling says, “if it’s taken every single day and condoms are used.”

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Santa Anita Park Resists Call To Suspend Racing After 2 More Horses Die

Santa Anita Park in Southern California is resisting calls to suspend its season, saying recent changes have reduced catastrophic injuries “by 50 percent in racing and by more than 84 percent in training.”

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Los Angeles County’s Santa Anita Park is standing firm against calls to cancel the rest of its racing season after the deaths of two more horses over the weekend, bringing the number of horses that have died at the track since December to 29.

In a highly unusual move Saturday, the California Horse Racing Board asked the park to scuttle competition for the seven remaining race days to “provide the industry more time to fully implement announced safety initiatives and perhaps additional ones.”

But park owner The Stronach Group along with the Thoroughbred Owners of California and California Thoroughbred Trainers released a joint statement Sunday saying the racetrack will remain open until the season ends on June 23.

“Since wide-sweeping reforms have been instituted at Santa Anita, catastrophic injuries have dropped considerably compared to earlier this meet,” the statement read, adding: “To be clear, there are no acceptable losses, and every day we work toward ending all serious injuries. But the reality is that our improvements and changes have been effective.”

Santa Anita suspended racing for much of March, when the toll of horse deaths neared two dozen — twice the rate of the previous year — and as it worked to figure out why so many horses were dying.

Before reopening on March 29, the park announced a series of changes it planned to implement, including limiting the use of pain or anti-inflammatory medications and treatment for horses and improving early detection of preexisting health conditions. Santa Anita had already pledged to bring in outside experts on a regular basis to review its dirt, turf and synthetic course surfaces.

The park says those moves have already reduced catastrophic injuries “by 50 percent in racing and by more than 84 percent in training.”

Since the park reopened, seven more horses have died there.

On Saturday, a horse named Formal Dude was euthanized after “taking a bad step” in a mile race, according to the official race chart. An examination revealed a fractured pelvis, reports The Daily Racing Form.

In response to the death of the 4-year-old gelding, the state Horse Racing Board issued a recommendation Saturday that Santa Anita “suspend racing for the seven remaining race days but that they allow horses to continue to train during that period.”

Santa Anita issued its refusal on Sunday. That same day saw another horse fatality: Truffalino pulled up during the third race of the day, and the jockey dismounted just before the 3-year-old filly collapsed. The horse died of a suspected heart attack.

In an emailed statement, the California Horse Racing Board said it “does not have the authority to suspend a race meet or remove race dates from a current race meet without the approval of the race track operator or without holding a public meeting with ten days public notice.”

At the time Santa Anita suspended races in March, questions swirled about whether heavy Southern California rains and poor track conditions were causing the horse injuries and deaths. But other experts weren’t so sure.

“There’s no obvious answer. So every question is being asked: Is it the surface? Is it the horses that are running on the surface?” Rick Baedeker, executive director of the California Horse Racing Board, told NPR’s All Things Considered in March.

“Racing has become more competitive over a period of time,” Rick Arthur, equine medical director at the School of Veterinary Medicine at the University of California, Davis, told NPR’s Tom Goldman. “Horses are worked faster and there are fewer horses to fit the slots that are available. So there’s more pressure on the horses to race more frequently.”

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals says that horses, with their massive frames supported by spindly legs, simply aren’t built to withstand the rigors of training and racing. The organization notes that injuries such as strained tendons or hairline fractures can be difficult to diagnose before a horse is run again.

PETA has called for a nationwide suspension of racing until greater safety measures are put in place. “Trainers, owners, and veterinarians have recklessly controlled racing and imperiled horses for too long, and those days must come to an end,” Senior Vice President Kathy Guillermo said in a statement.

And while just a handful of race days remain this season, Santa Anita is set to host the prestigious Breeders’ Cup in November. Amid the spate of horse deaths, according to the LA Times, the Breeders’ Cup committee is considering moving the event to Churchill Downs in Kentucky.

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Ex-Red Sox Star David Ortiz In Stable Condition After Shooting In Dominican Republic

Retired Boston Red Sox player David Ortiz looks at the large television screen last June at Fenway Park in Boston.

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Former Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz was shot in the back Sunday at an outdoor bar in the Dominican capital of Santo Domingo. He is reportedly in stable condition after undergoing surgery.

Ortiz, a native of the Dominican Republic, was at the bar in the capital at about 8:50 p.m. when a man on a motorcycle approached and shot him from behind, according to Dominican National Police Director Ney Aldrin Bautista Almonte.

Ortiz’s father, Leo, told local reporters that his son, 43, was “fine” after surgery and that the bullet did not hit any vital organs.

“He is out of surgery and stable; he is resting,” Leo Ortiz said. “Big Papi will be around for a long time.”

Dominican television host Jhoel Lopez and another person were also wounded in the attack, according to The Associated Press. Lopez was shot in the leg, but his injuries were not considered life-threatening.

I’m at peace knowing you out of danger; you a strong man Compai, can’t wait to hear your voice. My thoughts and prayers are with you, see you soon.
Me siento tranquilo de saber que estás fuera de peligro, usted es fuerte Compai, ya quiero oírle la voz. Orando, nos vemos pronto pic.twitter.com/jdSnNsM7eI

— Pedro Martinez (@45PedroMartinez) June 10, 2019

Bautista said that the alleged shooter was captured and beaten by a crowd and that he was undergoing treatment before being questioned by authorities.

The Dial Bar and Lounge, where the assault took place, is located in the eastern part of the capital in a nighlife district known for its high-end dance clubs, according to the AP.

Ortiz, who helped the Red Sox win the World Series three times, hit 541 home runs in his more than 20-year career. He won the MVP award in 2013 and retired after the 2016 season.

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How Kentucky Keeps Horse Racing Deaths Secret

When a thoroughbred dies on a Kentucky racetrack, it’s almost impossible to learn the circumstances of the death because the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission keeps the information largely secret.



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Last year, an average of 10 horses a week died at U.S. racetracks. That’s according to a racing industry group called The Jockey Club. Typically, information about those deaths – who owned or trained the horses, for example – is public. That’s true of California tracks like Santa Anita, which has witnessed a spate of deaths, tracks in New York where the Belmont Stakes is run tonight. It’s not true, though, of Kentucky, horse racing’s home state. Caitlin McGlade with the Kentucky Center for Investigative Reporting looked into why that is.

CAITLIN MCGLADE, BYLINE: It’s two weeks after the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs – first race of the day.

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UNIDENTIFIED ANNOUNCER: They’re in the gate, and they’re off.

MCGLADE: It is also the first race ever for Kinley Karole, a 3-year-old filly. She pulls out slow and trails far behind the pack. When she starts to catch up, her back leg snaps. The announcer doesn’t mention it. The Daily Racing chart says that she went wrong. But Kinley Karole was euthanized. And even in the midst of a huge national conversation about horse racing deaths at one of the most storied racetracks, she never made headlines. A lot of states consider identities of horses that died, as well as where and when they died, to be public record. But in Kentucky, the horse racing capital of the world, officials say open records law protects the business interests of horse trainers and owners.

Racing deaths have been on the rise nationally. Kentucky reported 38 race fatalities last year. The state has detailed data, including which horses die and who trains them, but it’s not public record. Amye Bensenhaver with the Kentucky Open Government Coalition says this makes it harder to hold accountable some of the racing industry’s biggest players.

AMYE BENSENHAVER: Establishing these impediments to access, they are tipping the balance in favor of the industry rather than the public’s right to know.

MCGLADE: Kentucky’s equine medical director told me there are no public records identifying dead horses, and she didn’t respond to additional questions. So I asked to see necropsies filed by veterinarians. Officials said they would give those but with a big caveat – they’d redact the name of the horse, where and when it died, who owned it and really any information to identify the horse. Why? They argued state law allows them to withhold these details because they’re generally considered confidential, and sharing them would put trainers and owners at a competitive disadvantage.

JAMES GAGLIANO: I really question the wisdom of a statement like that.

MCGLADE: That’s James Gagliano. He’s the president of The Jockey Club, the thoroughbred breed registry for the United States and Canada. And his organization encourages tracks to publish injury and death statistics. Churchill Downs does not – another reason that horse deaths in Kentucky have been shrouded in secrecy for so long.

GAGLIANO: These are facts, and there’s nothing wrong with reporting facts.

MCGLADE: So I called around to other states. New Jersey, home of the Haskell Invitational Stakes – it’s not confidential there. California – Racing Board spokesman Mike Martin had a list from Santa Anita Park on hand.

MIKE MARTIN: Yes. Yeah. I might be able to send that to you within the next minute if you asked me for it. Yeah.

MCGLADE: That track suspended racing after a spate of fatalities. He said I could find out about deaths at other tracks through a public records request. Maryland’s Racing Commission emailed me a statewide list after a quick phone call the Monday after Preakness. And Illinois…

MICKEY EZZO: Sure, absolutely.

MCGLADE: That’s Mickey Ezzo of the Illinois Racing Board. He says competitive disadvantage doesn’t seem to be an issue there.

EZZO: I’ve been doing this for 20 years and never have gotten any complaints from horsemen when that information was released to the public.

MCGLADE: In New York, which will host the third leg of the Triple Crown at Belmont Park today, racing officials publish an online database of horse deaths and injuries, so I didn’t even have to ask for it. I found trainer Robert Barbara in that database. He lost a horse named Tommy T during a race in Queens, N.Y., this year. He says, if it’s out there, it’s out there.

ROBERT BARBARA: I mean, if people go to the Internet and see this stuff, that, you know, I had five horses break down in two years or something like that – will it mean something to somebody? I guess it will. Does it bother me? No, it doesn’t because it is what it is.

MCGLADE: I didn’t have a database to find the trainer who worked with Kinley Karole, that horse that died last month at Churchill Downs, but I found him. His name is Larry Demeritte, and he didn’t hesitate to talk about what happened that day.

LARRY DEMERITTE: You go from excitement to heart broke.

MCGLADE: Demeritte doesn’t think his horses’ deaths should be confidential.

DEMERITTE: I would like to see that people trust us more in the game. The more secretive you are, the – people always say, there’s something shady about it.

MCGLADE: And as national conversation continues about problems facing the horse racing industry, pressure is likely to mount for less secrecy in the sport’s epicenter, Kentucky. For NPR News, I’m Caitlin McGlade in Louisville.

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Saturday Sports: Toronto Raptors, Women’s World Cup

The NBA and NHL are in the middle of finals, while the Women’s World Cup begins. NPR’s Scott Simon talks to ESPN’s Howard Bryant.



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Revile the reptile. The Toronto Raptors are just a win away from a world championship over one of the world’s greatest franchises. And in hockey, the St. Louis Blues could also put away the Boston Bruins. In Paris, it’s le football season, eh? The Women’s World Cup kicked off yesterday. Howard Bryant of espn.com and ESPN The Magazine, which is going away later this year, but you’ll still be with us, right, Howard?

HOWARD BRYANT, BYLINE: I’m still with you, Scott. How are you?

SIMON: Fine, thank you. Good to talk to you, my friend. Listen – oh, wait, I got another one, OK?

BRYANT: No. Please. Don’t do it.

SIMON: No, no. Hey, Howard – cut his mic. Here we go. Hence forth, the North.

BRYANT: (Laughter).

SIMON: How’s that?

BRYANT: (Laughter).

SIMON: A little better?

BRYANT: We – I think we, the north, just works. And it’s been working really, really well…

SIMON: Been working well for them. OK.

BRYANT: …For the Toronto Raptors right now.

SIMON: The Raptors drubbed – drubbed the Dubs, if you please – 105-92 last night. It’s not just that they were three games – up three games to one. They’ve looked in command in almost every quarter of the series, haven’t they?

BRYANT: Well, they have. And once again, as we say all the time, is that the NBA is the best player wins the sport. And right now, Kawhi Leonard is the best player on the planet. And let’s also just not forget that the Warriors are playing very shorthanded. They didn’t have Kevon Looney for the – for Game 3. They – obviously, Kevin Durant hasn’t played in the entire series. You didn’t have Klay Thompson in Game 3.

And so on top of everything else that’s taken place with them as a team and going to the finals five straight seasons and trying to win three straight championships – to be the first team to do that, you know, in years anyway – and I think that this is a – it’s an amazing, amazing run for them. But the pressure is also very difficult for them, too.

SIMON: Yeah.

BRYANT: It’s a hard conversation to have because you wish that you would have both teams playing at full strength, but you got to deal with what’s in front of you. And the Toronto Raptors – never been in the finals – and they are playing great basketball right now.

SIMON: I got to ask. Look; a co-owner of the Warriors, an investment billionaire named Mark Stevens – and I have read he has given lots of money to many good causes – felt that his courtside seat entitled him the other night to shove and swear at Toronto’s Kyle Lowry. This is the kind of fan that gives fans a bad name.

BRYANT: Yeah, most certainly. And he’s not a fan. He’s a co-owner. So he’s not just a fan. He’s…

SIMON: Right.

BRYANT: …Somebody who’s got a financial stake in the game. It was an ugly incident. It was completely unnecessary. It would be very surprising to me if the NBA doesn’t come down on him to the point where he’s not – where he’s forced to sell his shares. I think that this is one of those examples, too, where you’re going to find out the power of the players in terms of how much they’re going to take from fans and especially co-owners because let’s not forget, this has been a theme throughout the NBA season…

SIMON: Yeah.

BRYANT: …Where fan abuse has become something that is – just, you know, where the players have decided that, hey, we’re not going to take this anymore. We’re not zoo animals, OK? You’re here to watch…

SIMON: Yup.

BRYANT: …The game, but you also have to respect us.

SIMON: NHL finals – next game is tomorrow. The St. Louis Blues up 3-2 over the Boston Bruins. Why and how?

BRYANT: Well, No. 1, because they’re a very, very tough team. And that’s the – this is funny. We talk about hockey in the 2000s, but this looks like hockey in the 1970s. I thought I was watching the…

SIMON: Yeah.

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SIMON: Yeah, Blues and Bruins, yeah.

BRYANT: Exactly. I thought I was watching the Bruins and the Flyers from ’74. The Blues are a brutal, brutal, tough hockey team, and they are just physic – you know, they’re very physical. They’re crushing the Bruins. In terms of hits, there’s been suspensions in this playoff. But the bottom line – you know, the Bruins are complaining about the referees. But the bottom line is that the Blues have just been – they’ve outlasted everybody. They just continue to be a really tough hockey team. And they’re one game away from doing something that franchise has never done, which is win the Stanley Cup.

SIMON: Yeah. Women’s World Cup started yesterday. The U.S. plays its first match Tuesday against Thailand. Who looks good? I am told – aha – Les Bleus.

BRYANT: Well, they’re the hosts, so they always look good. But obviously, the defending champions are the United States. You’ve got a great group going on. You’ve got Japan and England in the same group. And Japan and the United States have played back-to-back finals. So I think that, obviously, the United States are the favorites. You’ve got Germany, England and Japan. Japan’s not as good as they were the last couple of World Cups. But at the same time, I’m looking at the United States. They’re the – to me, they’re the team to beat.

SIMON: French Open starts today. No names that I recognized; you would, my friend.

BRYANT: Well, the big star – or not the star – the infamous star of this entire tournament has been the weather because it has been very, very difficult to try to get these matches in. And by the end of this tournament, I think people are going to look at this tournament, and they’re going to say we’re going to remember this one for the rain instead of the players.

SIMON: Yeah.

BRYANT: Yeah.

SIMON: Howard Bryant of ESPN, thanks so much for being with us.

BRYANT: Oh, my pleasure.

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